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explore the bazaars your e-ticket ride

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into the world of the paranoid

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strap yourself in as we traverse the

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universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

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ghosts Lost Worlds

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cryptozoology waters as well as other

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dimensions it's time to take back the

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night last night now your electrifying

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hosts of exploring the bizarre Timothy

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Begley and Tim Schwartz welcome to

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another fantastic episode of exploring

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the bizarre I'm Tim Schwartz and tonight

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I have with me just absolutely fantastic

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guest always happy to have this

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gentleman with me has been on exploring

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the bizarre several times now and so

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it's it's it's guaranteed to to be a

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fantastic show and and I want to let

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everyone know that unfortunately mr. Tim

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Beckley will not be with us tonight he

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should be back again his old vivacious

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self next week but that's that's why I'm

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happy that tonight I have Paul you know

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with me because with Paul I mean we get

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to talking and the time just flies by so

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it's it's always just a great time when

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when Paul you know is with this so let

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me just I've done this before but let me

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just give an apologist a a brief

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introduction here now Paul was one of

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the first paranormal investigators of

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the early 1970s well beginning while he

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was studying for the the priesthood

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now Paul graduated from two seminaries

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but was expelled from a third because of

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his paranormal work this happened about

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a year to go before his or coordination

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now he turned to journalism ended up in

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a distinguished career as a newspaper

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and magazine reporter and editor

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today he's an award-winning New England

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journalist a former news editor at the

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Providence Journal and is the author of

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or contributors such books as behind the

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paranormal everything that you know is

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wrong and behind the paranormal

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everything that you do is wrong yeah

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that I put that in twice I don't know

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watch a book so good you have to say it

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twice now Paul has appeared on the

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travel discovery in history channels and

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along with his son Ben Paul is the host

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of behind the paranormal heard Sundays

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at noon on w oon AM and FN in Providence

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Boston now his most recent book which we

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will talking be talking about tonight

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is dancing past the graveyard

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poltergeist parasites parallel word

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worlds and God so Paul thanks for being

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with me tonight I don't exploring the

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bizarre no it's always fun to him I

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remember you and I and Ben had a show on

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our air a few months ago and we had more

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fun with the subject of Jeff the talking

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Mongoose it's one of the most popular

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get down first about now we'll talk

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about your your book dancing past the

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graveyard but I want to talk about and

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talk about it and that's in the

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beginning of the new book that you just

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have won at least once a year it's grown

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restaurant rather there's nobody's house

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station we were going to do a two-hour

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May and boy did we have a lot to talk

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our trucks and and observe things that

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camera then the tape etc or audio and

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impression that we should be sky

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home that's kind of the base

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penticoff the young filmmaker saw this

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of fog or haze but there was them

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to suffer terrible anguish for the rest

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two best UFO videos he has ever seen so

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15 minutes of our show so we had that

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the video because it was just incredible

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so we had seven people involved at this

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point but we had been up on kind of a

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doing a sky watch again at a remote site

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that is commit there's a little memorial

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commemorating the presence of what is

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Continental Divide but there's also an

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we we had a very distinct photograph

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a figure next to her that was not next

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to her than anybody could see almost

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like a child snuggling up against her

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side who's quite quite striking there

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were other beautiful pictures so that

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of the house where we had sat the

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sighting the previous night and we were

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saying goodnight and there was there was

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Charles credo from Maine who was the

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host of the Galileo interviews on

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I've ever worked with but with the

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exception of yourself to him

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course of course hmm he had gone to bed

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but the door was ajar and he was he

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hadn't gone to sleep yet so he didn't

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hear what we heard right over the

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producers head this this sound began it

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was a perfect C it sounded it sounded

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electronic in origin but there was no

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discernible there was no discernible

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source for it we were all looking at our

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cellphones and Alexander jokingly said

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Paul what did you step on and we thought

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and the our hosts were sleeping in a

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room above the garage with their windows

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closed door of the garage this is my

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25th it led us out into the the driveway

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and went up into the air it got weak it

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powered up again went to the left and

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then went off into the sky and we got a

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recording of that but just on our

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cellphones I mean we weren't prepared

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for this but I mean what is that mean 50

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years of researching the paranormal I've

279
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never had anything like that happened

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Ben who I wish he'd been there but he is

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a sound expert that's what his degree is

282
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in was back at the station and when he

283
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did hear it he noted a couple of things

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it was it did not decay it was a perfect

285
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sea there was no extremely it's been

286
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analyzed there were no extraneous sounds

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it's just as perfect

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we call it the tone the the the only

289
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thing we did differently in this a trip

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to which we've been working on this flat

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area case in so six it's only just

292
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getting started we work on cases for

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years there's one academic working on

294
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for 14 years and just the thing was

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different was we used music in other

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words shame seaway played some tones

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that he had obtained from Mount Shasta

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which is you know because new wait

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Central and I was playing some music

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that I find very haunting and beautiful

301
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by the American composer Morten

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Lauridsen

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Scandinavian American composer and he

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writes some liturgical music getting

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rights

306
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various forms of music that they use

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dissonance in others notes usually

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usually the classroom flashes one

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another but he writes in a very

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beautiful way and he is it's brilliant

311
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so I was playing that and so what was it

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that had anything to do with these

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remarkable experiences I don't know

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particularly that tone at the end it was

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almost as if something was I don't know

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signaling to I just we're still kind of

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working that out and that we have not

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released publicly either but it is again

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being played in that major a may 26 to

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the with that and so we're looking

321
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forward to going back and seeing what

322
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else though it does seem to be kind of a

323
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coincidence though that previously you

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had been playing music and then here's

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this response you know this this perfect

326
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sea tone coming out of nowhere yeah the

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people who were well within hearing

328
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didn't hear except in our particular

329
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group you know well I don't believe in

330
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coincidence Tim and neither do you so I

331
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don't know no interest well and it's

332
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it's interesting because you you know

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that there is technology and we have

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technology where you can produce audio

335
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at a very narrow beam yeah we're only a

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certain you know just a very isolated a

337
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location can hear it they they even have

338
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a version of it at Walmart we never make

339
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any clear I mean this is this video of

340
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the UFO being there that's you don't

341
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have to be I don't know crazy to deny

342
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that it's something weird anyway but but

343
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the tone we make no claims Ben and I and

344
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we we just put it out there when we feel

345
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it's ready and people could make their

346
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own decision but I mean the video I

347
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think speaks for itself at the tone and

348
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we're still reserving judgment on that

349
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but it was very very unusual and strange

350
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at that I get no discernable source

351
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which doesn't mean there wasn't a source

352
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that's explainable and but and then

353
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going off into the sky like that was

354
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really

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actually I well now do you know has

356
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anybody else in that area you had said

357
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before that this this area who had been

358
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kind of like a hot spot for all kinds of

359
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weird and wonderful activity has anybody

360
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else reported hearing unusual sounds I

361
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mean maybe not just necessarily tones or

362
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music but just you know other unusual

363
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audio events well yeah there are lots of

364
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reports of vocalizations presumably from

365
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Bigfoot or some other cryptid perhaps or

366
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something else but not we've not been as

367
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very we at the neighborhood meeting

368
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which happened to be the afternoon of

369
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the 25th at a restaurant where the 35 to

370
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40 people there we played this and we

371
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showed that we showed the video that one

372
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or two people had said they had seen

373
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things in the sky like that before

374
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because I don't think it was a craft at

375
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least not not the main body of this haze

376
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I think it was an intersect point

377
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because the area is full of these and

378
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this is what one of the terms we had to

379
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invent to talk about the the overlapping

380
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or over washing of parallel worlds that

381
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allow things to manifest and flap areas

382
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and that's a bit simplistic but it

383
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essentially comes down to that I think

384
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that's what it was and the people have

385
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seen that sort of thing before but

386
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nobody had heard a tone like that at

387
00:17:38,030 --> 00:17:34,410
least not in that room and we did play

388
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it that such as it was right now as you

389
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said you know Ben is an expert along

390
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those lines I mean is there any kind of

391
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what would the word be I'm thinking of

392
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you know maybe spiritual or ritualistic

393
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significance to that kind of audio tone

394
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I mean I know that you know churches

395
00:18:06,740 --> 00:18:05,010
they you know chant at a specific you

396
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know rhythm and cadence of things like

397
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that to produce you know various you

398
00:18:14,030 --> 00:18:11,910
know effects on you know on the on the

399
00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:14,040
mind and body what about something like

400
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this well there is something that Ben

401
00:18:21,830 --> 00:18:20,130
did sort of nail down and that was a

402
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Tibetan singing bowl

403
00:18:26,690 --> 00:18:23,909
hmm okay yes that's what I was thinking

404
00:18:28,460 --> 00:18:26,700
of yeah okay and there was one on the

405
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back porch of this house I mean there

406
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was all the experiences these people

407
00:18:32,450 --> 00:18:31,110
have been a couple of people grew up on

408
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this property and they become very

409
00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:34,470
spiritual as a result of the weird

410
00:18:39,980 --> 00:18:36,690
experiences and so we actually went out

411
00:18:41,690 --> 00:18:39,990
here was you know like by this time was

412
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about quarter the 2:00 in the morning

413
00:18:45,860 --> 00:18:43,200
and we're banging around on this bowl

414
00:18:49,299 --> 00:18:45,870
and but it was it was at first it was

415
00:18:53,870 --> 00:18:49,309
not a sea it was not the same tone and

416
00:18:56,060 --> 00:18:53,880
oh I see our producer has the tone I

417
00:18:56,870 --> 00:18:56,070
think yes if she wants to play it I

418
00:18:58,820 --> 00:18:56,880
don't know that's great

419
00:19:00,950 --> 00:18:58,830
yeah well would we come back from the

420
00:19:03,919 --> 00:19:00,960
bottom of the hour break we'll come

421
00:19:05,630 --> 00:19:03,929
right into play in that so sure so but

422
00:19:07,820 --> 00:19:05,640
we did we did try that and at the tone

423
00:19:10,610 --> 00:19:07,830
first of all is was not only not a sea

424
00:19:12,019 --> 00:19:10,620
it didn't it decayed and it did all

425
00:19:15,230 --> 00:19:12,029
sorts of things that this this other

426
00:19:17,510 --> 00:19:15,240
tone did not so it wasn't it wasn't

427
00:19:20,419 --> 00:19:17,520
somebody out using the bowl right all

428
00:19:22,490 --> 00:19:20,429
right it you know wouldn't you talk

429
00:19:25,730 --> 00:19:22,500
about you know how how it doesn't decay

430
00:19:29,570 --> 00:19:25,740
I mean it reminds me of the audio

431
00:19:31,310 --> 00:19:29,580
recordings of poltergeist related knocks

432
00:19:32,899 --> 00:19:31,320
and raps that were recorded and then

433
00:19:35,470 --> 00:19:32,909
analysed years later with more

434
00:19:38,990 --> 00:19:35,480
sophisticated equipment that showed a

435
00:19:42,860 --> 00:19:39,000
distinct difference between say somebody

436
00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:42,870
just knocking on a wall and you know and

437
00:19:47,930 --> 00:19:45,450
those and I'm trying to remember now it

438
00:19:50,029 --> 00:19:47,940
wasn't so much like they decayed but it

439
00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:50,039
was almost like the sound started in the

440
00:19:55,130 --> 00:19:52,770
middle and then just ended rather yes

441
00:19:58,760 --> 00:19:55,140
rather than just like the you know the

442
00:20:01,820 --> 00:19:58,770
slow build-up the high middle parts and

443
00:20:03,529 --> 00:20:01,830
then the the as a slowly descends you

444
00:20:06,110 --> 00:20:03,539
know I'm not an audio expert I don't

445
00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:06,120
know then we're here I know he's Ben's

446
00:20:11,570 --> 00:20:07,770
been on the show before but I you know I

447
00:20:13,610 --> 00:20:11,580
hesitate to put words in his mouth but

448
00:20:16,279 --> 00:20:13,620
they but again you know he it's banana

449
00:20:17,990 --> 00:20:16,289
land also Shane see we analyzed that he

450
00:20:20,409 --> 00:20:18,000
has some sound expertise and he's got

451
00:20:23,930 --> 00:20:20,419
people who work with him as well and

452
00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:23,940
they analyzed it and they took it apart

453
00:20:28,279 --> 00:20:25,770
they played it in Reverse to see if

454
00:20:30,230 --> 00:20:28,289
there was any well for lack of a better

455
00:20:35,120 --> 00:20:30,240
term message during and then think this

456
00:20:35,870 --> 00:20:35,130
was absolutely pure sine-wave as I've

457
00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:35,880
heard the term

458
00:20:42,289 --> 00:20:38,850
reason just seems to be very simple and

459
00:20:44,270 --> 00:20:42,299
very anti I think very beautiful and it

460
00:20:45,890 --> 00:20:44,280
was just what we felt as though it was

461
00:20:47,029 --> 00:20:45,900
kind of meant for us again especially

462
00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:47,039
because there were three other people

463
00:20:54,230 --> 00:20:50,210
with an easier shot and they didn't hear

464
00:20:56,830 --> 00:20:54,240
well now you talked about the the UFO

465
00:21:00,230 --> 00:20:56,840
sighting and how you felt that it was

466
00:21:02,539 --> 00:21:00,240
maybe a product of the intersection

467
00:21:04,970 --> 00:21:02,549
points of his association well that's my

468
00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:04,980
that's our view is is that a flat

469
00:21:09,710 --> 00:21:07,770
barriers results from multiple intersect

470
00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:09,720
points between various parallel worlds

471
00:21:15,260 --> 00:21:11,010
that don't always have the same laws of

472
00:21:19,010 --> 00:21:15,270
physics right and this is it's out there

473
00:21:20,659 --> 00:21:19,020
but it is good physics as it's known and

474
00:21:22,970 --> 00:21:20,669
now physicists will interpret this and

475
00:21:25,159 --> 00:21:22,980
in a number of different ways but we've

476
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:25,169
had the likes of you know eminent people

477
00:21:29,510 --> 00:21:27,210
like Fred Allen dr. Fred Alan wolf on

478
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:29,520
our show agreeing with it with our

479
00:21:34,190 --> 00:21:32,010
interpretation you know most of it

480
00:21:36,169 --> 00:21:34,200
anyway and we don't get it from

481
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:36,179
classrooms we get it from being out

482
00:21:41,060 --> 00:21:38,490
there and meet me being out there for 50

483
00:21:43,820 --> 00:21:41,070
years in the trenches you know and I

484
00:21:45,710 --> 00:21:43,830
can't think of any other way to and

485
00:21:47,299 --> 00:21:45,720
we've talked about this before I can't

486
00:21:50,180 --> 00:21:47,309
think of any other way to really explain

487
00:21:53,539 --> 00:21:50,190
it except multiple intersect points and

488
00:21:56,149 --> 00:21:53,549
overwash points where you know and and

489
00:21:58,940 --> 00:21:56,159
and the rare idea is the Bigfoot in this

490
00:22:01,070 --> 00:21:58,950
area you know where does he share it

491
00:22:03,260 --> 00:22:01,080
come from and where where do they go

492
00:22:05,570 --> 00:22:03,270
I mean you've got it's not a wilderness

493
00:22:08,360 --> 00:22:05,580
area many this rural you've got a lot of

494
00:22:11,750 --> 00:22:08,370
open country you've got wood lots maybe

495
00:22:14,919 --> 00:22:11,760
10 15 acres but and there was a

496
00:22:18,590 --> 00:22:14,929
reasonably large population of humans

497
00:22:21,049 --> 00:22:18,600
everybody sees this I I've seen it there

498
00:22:23,990 --> 00:22:21,059
must of shocked and I think we've talked

499
00:22:27,919 --> 00:22:24,000
about this before too in 2016

500
00:22:29,390 --> 00:22:27,929
shane has seen it so I mean it's there

501
00:22:30,620 --> 00:22:29,400
there's more to this than just some big

502
00:22:31,250 --> 00:22:30,630
primary that's really good at playing

503
00:22:35,659 --> 00:22:31,260
hide-and-seek

504
00:22:41,149 --> 00:22:35,669
oh well considering you know like the

505
00:22:46,399 --> 00:22:41,159
the UFO it it makes you wonder whether

506
00:22:47,820 --> 00:22:46,409
or not you were seeing all of it yeah as

507
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:47,830
I heard I mean

508
00:22:54,299 --> 00:22:51,250
a physicist once described as talking

509
00:22:57,230 --> 00:22:54,309
about different dimensions and how if

510
00:23:00,270 --> 00:22:57,240
you had somebody from a higher dimension

511
00:23:03,590 --> 00:23:00,280
try to intersect ours it would be almost

512
00:23:05,970 --> 00:23:03,600
like we'd be fish in a fish tank with

513
00:23:08,220 --> 00:23:05,980
somebody putting their finger in the

514
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:08,230
tank and all you would see would be the

515
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:10,090
tip of the finger and that would just

516
00:23:14,790 --> 00:23:11,770
look like it was appearing out of

517
00:23:17,549 --> 00:23:14,800
nowhere oh man yeah well actually there

518
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:17,559
was a lot more to it than that and then

519
00:23:23,490 --> 00:23:20,290
you know just as they withdrew the

520
00:23:25,799 --> 00:23:23,500
finger to our perception it would be or

521
00:23:28,049 --> 00:23:25,809
the fish's perception it would just

522
00:23:30,120 --> 00:23:28,059
disappear so and it would be interesting

523
00:23:34,830 --> 00:23:30,130
to consider whether or not sometimes

524
00:23:37,530 --> 00:23:34,840
these sort of interactions may be along

525
00:23:41,490 --> 00:23:37,540
those line but just involving higher

526
00:23:44,790 --> 00:23:41,500
dimensions well you know any idea is a

527
00:23:46,140 --> 00:23:44,800
good idea because as this often but said

528
00:23:47,610 --> 00:23:46,150
there there are no experts in this field

529
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:47,620
just people with interesting ideas and

530
00:23:52,980 --> 00:23:50,530
experiences well that's that's a fun

531
00:23:57,120 --> 00:23:52,990
thing about all of this it's just it's

532
00:23:58,830 --> 00:23:57,130
it's interesting to to speculate and to

533
00:24:00,840 --> 00:23:58,840
sit around with other people speculating

534
00:24:03,210 --> 00:24:00,850
as well and I hear the music coming up

535
00:24:05,340 --> 00:24:03,220
here Paul so let's go to our bottom of

536
00:24:07,290 --> 00:24:05,350
the hour break and when we come back we

537
00:24:19,159 --> 00:24:07,300
will continue our conversation with Paul

538
00:24:25,889 --> 00:24:23,310
now back to exploring the bazaars with

539
00:24:29,190 --> 00:24:25,899
two of the most electrifying researchers

540
00:24:34,500 --> 00:24:29,200
in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca

541
00:24:36,380 --> 00:24:34,510
Lee panting Swartz welcome back to

542
00:24:39,210 --> 00:24:36,390
exploring the bazaar on Tim Schwarz

543
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:39,220
tonight I have with me my good friend

544
00:24:45,690 --> 00:24:43,210
Paul II know author of a number of great

545
00:24:48,860 --> 00:24:45,700
books but his most recent one is dancing

546
00:24:51,899 --> 00:24:48,870
past the graveyard holder guys parasites

547
00:24:55,019 --> 00:24:51,909
parallel worlds and God and I have to

548
00:24:58,680 --> 00:24:55,029
say Paul fantastic book I have really

549
00:25:01,440 --> 00:24:58,690
enjoyed reading this in fact I'm reading

550
00:25:05,370 --> 00:25:01,450
it as a second time now

551
00:25:08,430 --> 00:25:05,380
yeah well do it you know you you you

552
00:25:10,950 --> 00:25:08,440
have so much great information in this

553
00:25:13,169 --> 00:25:10,960
book it's it's it's you know for for me

554
00:25:14,669 --> 00:25:13,179
it's hard to absorb with just one

555
00:25:16,740 --> 00:25:14,679
reading so I you know I got to go back

556
00:25:20,220 --> 00:25:16,750
and you know like I don't want to read

557
00:25:22,049 --> 00:25:20,230
it again so I know for sure cuz I really

558
00:25:23,820 --> 00:25:22,059
do I mean I I encourage everyone out

559
00:25:26,940 --> 00:25:23,830
there to get this book and read it

560
00:25:29,610 --> 00:25:26,950
because it's got a lot of great personal

561
00:25:34,070 --> 00:25:29,620
stories and just really some fantastic

562
00:25:36,510 --> 00:25:34,080
ideas on you know the possible nature of

563
00:25:40,700 --> 00:25:36,520
paranormal phenomena and the like

564
00:25:45,570 --> 00:25:40,710
all right now Tina our producer has the

565
00:25:47,730 --> 00:25:45,580
a recording of this C note that you

566
00:25:49,710 --> 00:25:47,740
described in our first signal Paul now

567
00:25:54,389 --> 00:25:49,720
this was you say it was recorded on a

568
00:25:56,610 --> 00:25:54,399
cell phone so the audio yeah yeah the

569
00:25:59,789 --> 00:25:56,620
audio quality probably you know is isn't

570
00:26:01,889 --> 00:25:59,799
the best but still managed to get it so

571
00:26:04,330 --> 00:26:01,899
Tina wants to go ahead and run that for

572
00:26:09,540 --> 00:26:08,950
[Music]

573
00:26:11,150 --> 00:26:09,550
[Applause]

574
00:26:21,250 --> 00:26:11,160
[Music]

575
00:26:22,850 --> 00:26:21,260
[Applause]

576
00:26:24,860 --> 00:26:22,860
[Music]

577
00:26:32,460 --> 00:26:24,870
No

578
00:26:33,050 --> 00:26:32,470
[Music]

579
00:26:38,350 --> 00:26:33,060
[Applause]

580
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:41,660
hmm that's that that it that is bizarre

581
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:44,970
and loud - yeah you could really hear

582
00:26:48,500 --> 00:26:45,450
that

583
00:26:52,100 --> 00:26:48,510
oscillating but it wasn't it was just

584
00:26:53,450 --> 00:26:52,110
perfect and that was Alexander penticoff

585
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:53,460
saying it's off and that was me saying

586
00:27:01,100 --> 00:26:55,730
it's it's moving

587
00:27:02,360 --> 00:27:01,110
but quite the unexpected experience not

588
00:27:05,419 --> 00:27:02,370
that anything in this field is ever

589
00:27:07,039 --> 00:27:05,429
expected but they don't know that's

590
00:27:08,810 --> 00:27:07,049
that's a good one and to be able to

591
00:27:11,990 --> 00:27:08,820
capture that you know at least you know

592
00:27:13,820 --> 00:27:12,000
on cellphones that's it's fantastic and

593
00:27:16,700 --> 00:27:13,830
I and I should have - I should mention

594
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:16,710
that we're going to have Alexander on

595
00:27:25,220 --> 00:27:18,090
the show next week

596
00:27:29,060 --> 00:27:25,230
Oh excellent yeah my honorary son I'll

597
00:27:31,450 --> 00:27:29,070
tell him you said that I announced them

598
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:31,460
that way when I'm emceeing conferences

599
00:27:39,230 --> 00:27:35,850
all right so let's talk about your book

600
00:27:44,150 --> 00:27:39,240
dancing past the graveyard and I mean

601
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:44,160
would you consider this a sequel almost

602
00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:51,210
to your your other book and I can't

603
00:28:02,299 --> 00:27:57,840
remember now what I've got that one in

604
00:28:04,070 --> 00:28:02,309
my library too as well but I mean you

605
00:28:08,270 --> 00:28:04,080
know they're both of these books kind of

606
00:28:11,930 --> 00:28:08,280
have you know like a similar theme to

607
00:28:14,330 --> 00:28:11,940
them but dancing past the graveyard

608
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:14,340
seems to be more of like an updated

609
00:28:20,539 --> 00:28:16,770
version almost of your previous book

610
00:28:23,210 --> 00:28:20,549
well perhaps I did

611
00:28:26,150 --> 00:28:23,220
well the difference to me may be more

612
00:28:28,909 --> 00:28:26,160
than this to the reader but I I didn't

613
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:28,919
hate writing behind the paranormal I'm a

614
00:28:33,049 --> 00:28:30,690
first it was fun to work with Ben on

615
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:33,059
that but this one I wrote myself and

616
00:28:38,299 --> 00:28:34,890
these were things that I tried to forget

617
00:28:40,460 --> 00:28:38,309
I hated writing this book I just but you

618
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:40,470
know you get to a certain age I think

619
00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:42,330
you and I might be roughly the same

620
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:44,880
vintage Tim so you made me know what I'm

621
00:28:48,050 --> 00:28:46,770
talking about that

622
00:28:49,730 --> 00:28:48,060
certain age you realize you know if I

623
00:28:51,620 --> 00:28:49,740
don't tell the story it's never gonna be

624
00:28:53,950 --> 00:28:51,630
told and maybe there are some lessons

625
00:28:57,260 --> 00:28:53,960
people could could get from these things

626
00:28:58,520 --> 00:28:57,270
some of them are expanded versions some

627
00:29:01,010 --> 00:28:58,530
of the case studies at least are

628
00:29:03,170 --> 00:29:01,020
expanded versions of things that written

629
00:29:05,900 --> 00:29:03,180
about in previous books but but again

630
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:05,910
they're rewritten and and I added more

631
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:09,330
information as I found old notes there

632
00:29:13,580 --> 00:29:11,850
are certainly memories and there's

633
00:29:16,190 --> 00:29:13,590
others some of that but the basic

634
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:16,200
overall a theme here is the same as

635
00:29:21,350 --> 00:29:19,050
behind the paranormal that that in our

636
00:29:23,930 --> 00:29:21,360
experience anyway this this idea of

637
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:23,940
parallel worlds is has much more to do

638
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:27,210
with it than dead people do know because

639
00:29:31,010 --> 00:29:29,610
at least in our point of view that we

640
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:31,020
could be entirely wrong it's the first

641
00:29:34,940 --> 00:29:33,090
thing we say but at least to us it seems

642
00:29:37,220 --> 00:29:34,950
that the the classical view of

643
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:37,230
particularly ghosts you know you get a

644
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:39,090
material war in the spirit world it's

645
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:41,850
very two-dimensional and just is is in

646
00:29:46,670 --> 00:29:44,730
no way good enough to explain what I've

647
00:29:50,150 --> 00:29:46,680
seen over the over the years and the

648
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:50,160
certainly been agrees with that so so

649
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:52,320
and I kind of think it stands alone but

650
00:29:56,090 --> 00:29:54,330
you know I mean for people who were have

651
00:30:00,800 --> 00:29:56,100
read the other books if it's a sequel

652
00:30:04,310 --> 00:30:00,810
that's fine too well and and I really

653
00:30:09,050 --> 00:30:04,320
appreciate the the there's a part of

654
00:30:12,530 --> 00:30:09,060
this book where you state that Kurt's

655
00:30:16,370 --> 00:30:12,540
still people's attitude when it comes to

656
00:30:17,750 --> 00:30:16,380
ghosts and hauntings are really I mean

657
00:30:20,270 --> 00:30:17,760
they haven't changed since the

658
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:20,280
nineteenth century and the the early

659
00:30:25,180 --> 00:30:22,170
spiritualist movement I don't think

660
00:30:27,830 --> 00:30:25,190
they've changed since the last ice age

661
00:30:29,780 --> 00:30:27,840
no it's yeah the spiritualist movement

662
00:30:31,820 --> 00:30:29,790
that just sort of popularized things but

663
00:30:35,540 --> 00:30:31,830
it's just I mean you know what when it

664
00:30:40,130 --> 00:30:35,550
really started changing for me really

665
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:40,140
was was in the nineteen well 70 and 72

666
00:30:44,870 --> 00:30:43,410
in my first field case and I don't write

667
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:44,880
about that in this book it's in behind

668
00:30:51,650 --> 00:30:47,130
the paranormal since Paul II know his

669
00:30:53,510 --> 00:30:51,660
first case it just there were sounds and

670
00:30:55,820 --> 00:30:53,520
activity that just didn't seem to be

671
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:55,830
coming from dead people I mean you know

672
00:30:59,060 --> 00:30:57,690
I mean we'd walk into that and we've

673
00:31:00,380 --> 00:30:59,070
talked about this on the show before we

674
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:00,390
walked into and

675
00:31:04,100 --> 00:31:02,250
abandoned village in Connecticut and

676
00:31:06,250 --> 00:31:04,110
there would be farm implements you could

677
00:31:10,190 --> 00:31:06,260
hear the metal banging together the cows

678
00:31:14,330 --> 00:31:10,200
dogs people talk as if it was more like

679
00:31:18,170 --> 00:31:14,340
about time than death there were a lot

680
00:31:20,390 --> 00:31:18,180
of oddities as spatial oddities sounds

681
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:20,400
moving in an unnaturally rapid fashion

682
00:31:25,670 --> 00:31:23,130
but I've run into that and so in in

683
00:31:27,230 --> 00:31:25,680
subsequent cases many many times where

684
00:31:29,330 --> 00:31:27,240
what you're dealing with seems to be up

685
00:31:30,530 --> 00:31:29,340
by the ceiling or even outside or just

686
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:30,540
not even in the same spatial

687
00:31:34,370 --> 00:31:33,090
relationship and to me this is a

688
00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:34,380
parallel world with a little bit

689
00:31:37,010 --> 00:31:36,000
different laws of physics sometimes very

690
00:31:41,270 --> 00:31:37,020
different but that that's how I

691
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:41,280
interpret so I think that you know with

692
00:31:46,510 --> 00:31:44,250
this it didn't it's just not none of it

693
00:31:51,140 --> 00:31:46,520
fit the old paradigm

694
00:31:55,070 --> 00:31:51,150
well the interesting the interesting

695
00:31:57,290 --> 00:31:55,080
thing about these books and and your

696
00:31:59,000 --> 00:31:57,300
your your speculations because I mean

697
00:32:01,310 --> 00:31:59,010
you know that that that's really that's

698
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:01,320
all with we have right now it's a

699
00:32:06,110 --> 00:32:03,810
speculation long can do right right and

700
00:32:10,490 --> 00:32:06,120
what this what this phenomena is that

701
00:32:14,750 --> 00:32:10,500
you know your idea is that rather than

702
00:32:17,780 --> 00:32:14,760
dealing with discarnate entities of you

703
00:32:20,300 --> 00:32:17,790
know say great Aunt Marge who who can't

704
00:32:24,910 --> 00:32:20,310
rest and is you know still wandering the

705
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:24,920
house that people maybe experience

706
00:32:30,620 --> 00:32:27,930
experiencing almost like bleed overs

707
00:32:32,590 --> 00:32:30,630
from alternative realities which there's

708
00:32:38,090 --> 00:32:32,600
probably an infinite number of

709
00:32:42,500 --> 00:32:38,100
alternative realities some of them with

710
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:42,510
the ability or maybe it's this you know

711
00:32:50,690 --> 00:32:47,610
like a natural type of event that bleeds

712
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:50,700
through into this reality yeah I

713
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:52,650
couldn't put it better myself anything

714
00:32:59,420 --> 00:32:56,570
that that's you know on Marge you know

715
00:33:02,300 --> 00:32:59,430
running down the hallway three years

716
00:33:04,010 --> 00:33:02,310
after a funeral you know maybe yeah I

717
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:04,020
sure could be some kind of spirit but

718
00:33:08,030 --> 00:33:05,730
but actually under the laws of physics

719
00:33:10,730 --> 00:33:08,040
in our world the notion of spirits

720
00:33:11,050 --> 00:33:10,740
having full knowledge and memory and all

721
00:33:14,470 --> 00:33:11,060
this

722
00:33:15,850 --> 00:33:14,480
is is not possible so that kind of puts

723
00:33:17,230 --> 00:33:15,860
a damper on that but I think it's much

724
00:33:19,510 --> 00:33:17,240
more like that you've got as you would

725
00:33:21,270 --> 00:33:19,520
put a bleed over from a world where she

726
00:33:24,550 --> 00:33:21,280
never died mmm

727
00:33:26,230 --> 00:33:24,560
laws of physics are such that they can

728
00:33:29,110 --> 00:33:26,240
be aware of us and it's not considered

729
00:33:31,750 --> 00:33:29,120
weird right right well okay now that

730
00:33:33,610 --> 00:33:31,760
it's it's that's interesting that you

731
00:33:36,220 --> 00:33:33,620
would bring that up because there's the

732
00:33:38,620 --> 00:33:36,230
the chapter in your book where you write

733
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:38,630
about what you'd gone into the little

734
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:41,770
chapel at the at the hospital because

735
00:33:48,010 --> 00:33:44,690
apparently there had been at least

736
00:33:50,260 --> 00:33:48,020
impressions of a haunting and a psyche

737
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:50,270
could told you that there was the spirit

738
00:33:55,630 --> 00:33:51,890
of a man waiting around for his wife to

739
00:33:58,630 --> 00:33:55,640
pass over right right yeah and I I found

740
00:34:01,780 --> 00:33:58,640
that fascinating because apparently the

741
00:34:04,930 --> 00:34:01,790
the person that you managed to have a

742
00:34:08,140 --> 00:34:04,940
communication with may have be living in

743
00:34:13,090 --> 00:34:08,150
a reality where this kind of inter

744
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:13,100
reality communication is commonplace yes

745
00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:15,530
that that's apparently what it was his

746
00:34:19,570 --> 00:34:18,169
name was was Gilbert and and just as an

747
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:19,580
aside one of the reasons I hated

748
00:34:23,050 --> 00:34:21,770
correcting this book was that for 50

749
00:34:25,659 --> 00:34:23,060
years I'm gonna tell any people do not

750
00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:25,669
do this do not do the mediumistic stuff

751
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:27,169
don't use Ouija boards everything as I

752
00:34:33,940 --> 00:34:30,970
had to do that but I just I don't really

753
00:34:36,010 --> 00:34:33,950
interpret this as me being mediumistic

754
00:34:38,590 --> 00:34:36,020
because that implies talking to the dead

755
00:34:41,260 --> 00:34:38,600
and I've never met anybody who's dead

756
00:34:43,540 --> 00:34:41,270
you know I mean it's just that this is

757
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:43,550
uh this seemed to be a fellow it and

758
00:34:47,350 --> 00:34:45,770
that the chapter this is chapter one of

759
00:34:50,169 --> 00:34:47,360
section two I believe you're referring

760
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:50,179
to yes and it was Augsburg New York and

761
00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:51,770
st. Lawrence State Hospital where I had

762
00:34:56,110 --> 00:34:54,169
been working with with a priest with

763
00:34:57,610 --> 00:34:56,120
assisting him at exorcisms which I was

764
00:34:59,350 --> 00:34:57,620
very surprised at because the seminary

765
00:35:02,770 --> 00:34:59,360
authorities were very very sympathetic

766
00:35:04,990 --> 00:35:02,780
to my paranormal research at this

767
00:35:05,980 --> 00:35:05,000
particular institution and I went to

768
00:35:07,870 --> 00:35:05,990
three seminars he was the three

769
00:35:09,940 --> 00:35:07,880
different academic levels okay so this

770
00:35:11,220 --> 00:35:09,950
is the college level and I was very

771
00:35:14,380 --> 00:35:11,230
surprised how receptive they were

772
00:35:17,530 --> 00:35:14,390
however there was I would visit the

773
00:35:20,950 --> 00:35:17,540
seminary under the guise of a pastoral

774
00:35:22,750 --> 00:35:20,960
training some of the seminarians did and

775
00:35:24,900 --> 00:35:22,760
I would visit with patients as well and

776
00:35:28,829 --> 00:35:24,910
that this particular chapter was

777
00:35:31,079 --> 00:35:28,839
in the haunted ward as people would

778
00:35:33,720 --> 00:35:31,089
becoming a club but Italy been weird for

779
00:35:36,299 --> 00:35:33,730
about a year and the staff didn't like

780
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:36,309
to be there at night and I encountered

781
00:35:40,980 --> 00:35:38,410
one patient a good old Catholic woman

782
00:35:43,589 --> 00:35:40,990
who nevertheless said she was a psychic

783
00:35:45,270 --> 00:35:43,599
medium and I said you know you realize

784
00:35:47,430 --> 00:35:45,280
that you know Catholics aren't supposed

785
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:47,440
to do that she said oh it's fine you

786
00:35:52,620 --> 00:35:49,690
know like he couldn't argue with her so

787
00:35:55,349 --> 00:35:52,630
she said the guy's waiting is gonna take

788
00:35:57,240 --> 00:35:55,359
his wife home and the the obvious

789
00:35:59,099 --> 00:35:57,250
implication for one who embraces the old

790
00:36:00,480 --> 00:35:59,109
paradigm is the guy she was gonna die

791
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:00,490
and the guy who was already dead wasn't

792
00:36:04,500 --> 00:36:01,690
gonna come and get her and take her home

793
00:36:07,380 --> 00:36:04,510
you know so that's you know perfectly

794
00:36:10,170 --> 00:36:07,390
take her through the afterlife in that

795
00:36:11,730 --> 00:36:10,180
paradigm mm-hmm I'm sorry I said I'd

796
00:36:15,270 --> 00:36:11,740
take her to the afterlife Yeah right

797
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:15,280
exactly you know and in the introduction

798
00:36:18,839 --> 00:36:17,530
of the book I give examples of how I was

799
00:36:21,720 --> 00:36:18,849
the biggest pain and and then that

800
00:36:23,190 --> 00:36:21,730
questioner both my grandma school

801
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:23,200
teachers and my seminary faculty had

802
00:36:26,130 --> 00:36:24,490
ever encountered I would ask all these

803
00:36:28,970 --> 00:36:26,140
weird questions they act like nobody's

804
00:36:31,410 --> 00:36:28,980
ever asked that before you know like

805
00:36:33,839 --> 00:36:31,420
about Jesus being in the tomb for three

806
00:36:37,740 --> 00:36:33,849
days and I just point out that you know

807
00:36:40,620 --> 00:36:37,750
Friday sunset to Sunday Sun rises not

808
00:36:42,779 --> 00:36:40,630
three days they get all frustrated you

809
00:36:44,549 --> 00:36:42,789
know so things like I know I was a pain

810
00:36:46,380 --> 00:36:44,559
in the neck so I was the same thing in

811
00:36:49,410 --> 00:36:46,390
the paranormal so I said you know I'm

812
00:36:51,930 --> 00:36:49,420
just on a hunch went into this little

813
00:36:53,579 --> 00:36:51,940
chapel it was it was very sort of

814
00:36:55,049 --> 00:36:53,589
undeveloped it was just really a room

815
00:36:58,680 --> 00:36:55,059
with a couple of chairs I'm supposed to

816
00:37:00,539 --> 00:36:58,690
be a chapel so I went in there and the

817
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:00,549
thing was I usually would visit once a

818
00:37:04,620 --> 00:37:02,410
week and unless I went with Father

819
00:37:06,299 --> 00:37:04,630
Lawrence for the exorcisms and stuff

820
00:37:09,359 --> 00:37:06,309
which were all very hush-hush

821
00:37:10,980 --> 00:37:09,369
but so the three days in a row I came in

822
00:37:12,870 --> 00:37:10,990
and the nurses have got a little

823
00:37:15,750 --> 00:37:12,880
suspicious and I said well it's exam

824
00:37:17,370 --> 00:37:15,760
time at the seminary and everybody's in

825
00:37:19,349 --> 00:37:17,380
a panic I just want a peace and quiet so

826
00:37:21,359 --> 00:37:19,359
they bought that you know and so I went

827
00:37:22,559 --> 00:37:21,369
in sat in the chapel but instead of

828
00:37:25,049 --> 00:37:22,569
studying which I should have been doing

829
00:37:27,240 --> 00:37:25,059
I was attempting to just get into a

830
00:37:29,069 --> 00:37:27,250
meditative state and see who or what I

831
00:37:30,599 --> 00:37:29,079
would encounter now there's a lot of

832
00:37:33,059 --> 00:37:30,609
parasite activity at this house this

833
00:37:35,700 --> 00:37:33,069
hospital and so I was a mile away I

834
00:37:38,310 --> 00:37:35,710
would have left had there been any hint

835
00:37:39,860 --> 00:37:38,320
of parasite or negative entity

836
00:37:43,610 --> 00:37:39,870
that's not in this particular case

837
00:37:46,500 --> 00:37:43,620
however this was the first experience of

838
00:37:47,990 --> 00:37:46,510
this kind of communication that I would

839
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:48,000
have and I encountered that this fella

840
00:37:54,630 --> 00:37:51,850
who spoke English you know very often

841
00:37:57,060 --> 00:37:54,640
they don't but he spoke English with a

842
00:37:59,970 --> 00:37:57,070
very very strange kind of word order and

843
00:38:01,530 --> 00:37:59,980
pronunciation and I didn't quite know

844
00:38:03,540 --> 00:38:01,540
what I was dealing with him it was

845
00:38:06,510 --> 00:38:03,550
frightening it was just weird and like

846
00:38:09,720 --> 00:38:06,520
he would pronounce say the first thing I

847
00:38:12,810 --> 00:38:09,730
heard what was right my ear was hello

848
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:12,820
not hello as we was about hello okay and

849
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:15,610
he would pronounce a word look it I had

850
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:16,930
to kind of get through what he was

851
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:19,690
trying to say but neigbor she would

852
00:38:25,860 --> 00:38:21,370
pronounce there was accent in the wrong

853
00:38:27,810 --> 00:38:25,870
sulabha sort of neighbors and the story

854
00:38:30,300 --> 00:38:27,820
came out at least if I interpreted it

855
00:38:32,190 --> 00:38:30,310
correctly that he was he was waiting for

856
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:32,200
his wife and he was going to take her

857
00:38:35,700 --> 00:38:33,490
home and I said she could this woman be

858
00:38:37,860 --> 00:38:35,710
right but then he goes that turns out he

859
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:37,870
says at the rail the railway station

860
00:38:42,660 --> 00:38:40,330
across the st. Lawrence River which was

861
00:38:44,790 --> 00:38:42,670
a mile wide at that point in Prescott

862
00:38:46,830 --> 00:38:44,800
Ontario Canada the Canadian National

863
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:46,840
Railway Station where I'd taken the

864
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:48,370
train to Montreal like a hundred times

865
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:50,530
he was waiting for his wife to come in

866
00:38:55,110 --> 00:38:52,450
from Montreal it was gonna take her home

867
00:38:56,450 --> 00:38:55,120
when she got off the stupid train I mean

868
00:38:59,550 --> 00:38:56,460
that's what it was about

869
00:39:01,320 --> 00:38:59,560
according to this guy hmm I can just

870
00:39:04,230 --> 00:39:01,330
imagine you know without that

871
00:39:05,580 --> 00:39:04,240
multiversal paradigm how this very

872
00:39:07,290 --> 00:39:05,590
sensitive woman could have picked this

873
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:07,300
up and you know what else could it be

874
00:39:13,590 --> 00:39:09,970
but but a dead guy waiting for his wife

875
00:39:16,260 --> 00:39:13,600
to die and so it made perfect sense to

876
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:16,270
me that you could interpret it this way

877
00:39:19,410 --> 00:39:18,370
but on the other hand I was totally

878
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:19,420
flabbergasted

879
00:39:24,540 --> 00:39:21,330
I was rather upset because I had not

880
00:39:26,190 --> 00:39:24,550
encountered anything like this certainly

881
00:39:28,350 --> 00:39:26,200
not my own experience but not even in

882
00:39:30,270 --> 00:39:28,360
any of the paranormal literature and

883
00:39:32,340 --> 00:39:30,280
yeah I kinda went back to the seminary

884
00:39:35,070 --> 00:39:32,350
and I kind of like like closed myself

885
00:39:37,020 --> 00:39:35,080
off people were kind of wondering if I

886
00:39:39,150 --> 00:39:37,030
was sick I couldn't deal with this

887
00:39:40,350 --> 00:39:39,160
because you know Jim I don't know if you

888
00:39:43,380 --> 00:39:40,360
encountered this or now you probably

889
00:39:45,450 --> 00:39:43,390
have with your lawyers but that the

890
00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:45,460
things that are really the scariest are

891
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:47,520
not always the phenomena that hurt

892
00:39:50,940 --> 00:39:49,810
they're the things that smash your

893
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:50,950
belief system

894
00:39:57,240 --> 00:39:55,450
yes really we have to cling to and I had

895
00:40:01,200 --> 00:39:57,250
a whole line of these things in the 70s

896
00:40:03,630 --> 00:40:01,210
that just obliterated things I was

897
00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:03,640
trying to cling to mainly a sort of a

898
00:40:08,970 --> 00:40:06,880
theological some ideological approach so

899
00:40:11,130 --> 00:40:08,980
we had a very normal Congress and the

900
00:40:12,839 --> 00:40:11,140
thing that this gilbert stressed to me

901
00:40:15,930 --> 00:40:12,849
was that it was served more perfectly

902
00:40:21,599 --> 00:40:15,940
normal in his version of the world to

903
00:40:23,700 --> 00:40:21,609
talk to labour wars such as me i'm like

904
00:40:25,530 --> 00:40:23,710
a mile away across the water and hogs

905
00:40:27,780 --> 00:40:25,540
burg and he was like they're right then

906
00:40:31,710 --> 00:40:27,790
when i was but it was some sort of

907
00:40:33,780 --> 00:40:31,720
parallel reality and that really no idea

908
00:40:36,690 --> 00:40:33,790
what I was experiencing how I eventually

909
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:36,700
interpreted just that was very scary

910
00:40:40,260 --> 00:40:38,530
because it smashed sort of a belief

911
00:40:42,780 --> 00:40:40,270
system and took me totally out of

912
00:40:44,069 --> 00:40:42,790
control of the situation but the laws of

913
00:40:45,750 --> 00:40:44,079
physics apparently were slightly

914
00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:45,760
different there had been a different

915
00:40:48,780 --> 00:40:46,800
timeline

916
00:40:51,569 --> 00:40:48,790
even though Einstein proved it's all

917
00:40:53,010 --> 00:40:51,579
simultaneous there's no time but

918
00:40:54,270 --> 00:40:53,020
apparently the English language had

919
00:40:58,319 --> 00:40:54,280
developed in a slightly different manner

920
00:41:00,329 --> 00:40:58,329
and his society developed that in a way

921
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:00,339
that they could talk to neighbors where

922
00:41:05,069 --> 00:41:02,890
it was here they'd either walk and the

923
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:05,079
funny thing was if you're I am that I

924
00:41:10,290 --> 00:41:07,810
usually answer verbally these days ever

925
00:41:12,329 --> 00:41:10,300
very rarely do this all I thought later

926
00:41:15,390 --> 00:41:12,339
all I needed was the staff of a

927
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:15,400
psychiatric hospital who was surrounding

928
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:18,450
this room to hear me talking to myself

929
00:41:23,849 --> 00:41:22,210
once but in any case it was that didn't

930
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:23,859
happen and everything was alright but it

931
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:26,050
just threw me really that was my first

932
00:41:32,550 --> 00:41:28,690
experience a month I've heard so contact

933
00:41:38,940 --> 00:41:32,560
in that way but the interesting thing

934
00:41:41,220 --> 00:41:38,950
also is that these strange feelings that

935
00:41:43,650 --> 00:41:41,230
people in this hospital have been having

936
00:41:46,650 --> 00:41:43,660
they've been going on for about a year

937
00:41:48,089 --> 00:41:46,660
and the the lady had told you that you

938
00:41:52,380 --> 00:41:48,099
know it was it was because this guy who

939
00:41:54,569 --> 00:41:52,390
was waiting for his wife so a year in

940
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:54,579
our time was completely different than

941
00:41:59,520 --> 00:41:56,770
his you're very observant

942
00:42:00,750 --> 00:41:59,530
that that's true and that was that

943
00:42:03,450 --> 00:42:00,760
struck me too and I've run into this

944
00:42:04,650 --> 00:42:03,460
before you know like the time what time

945
00:42:07,109 --> 00:42:04,660
which is a

946
00:42:09,329 --> 00:42:07,119
at least according to well Einstein

947
00:42:12,109 --> 00:42:09,339
essentially in relativity in 1952

948
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:12,119
essentially was said that it was all

949
00:42:17,220 --> 00:42:14,650
simultaneous and the past to feature

950
00:42:19,349 --> 00:42:17,230
flow that we think his objective is

951
00:42:21,630 --> 00:42:19,359
really very subjective and it's just a

952
00:42:22,890 --> 00:42:21,640
function of our consciousness and Amit

953
00:42:25,730 --> 00:42:22,900
Goswami the great

954
00:42:28,829 --> 00:42:25,740
I guess philosophers flash physicist /

955
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:28,839
mystic has said the time I should say

956
00:42:33,240 --> 00:42:31,210
that the sense of self so the sense of

957
00:42:35,490 --> 00:42:33,250
self is an illusion it's just a sense of

958
00:42:37,289 --> 00:42:35,500
self reference so all these things

959
00:42:39,870 --> 00:42:37,299
indicating the time apparently flowed

960
00:42:42,150 --> 00:42:39,880
very differently in his world because

961
00:42:44,069 --> 00:42:42,160
over the three-day period it wasn't the

962
00:42:46,740 --> 00:42:44,079
whole three days was several hours on

963
00:42:49,650 --> 00:42:46,750
each of the three evenings he would fade

964
00:42:52,130 --> 00:42:49,660
out and then come back unexpectedly and

965
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:52,140
then he said the same thing about me and

966
00:42:56,870 --> 00:42:54,970
but but this was unusual because it in

967
00:43:00,150 --> 00:42:56,880
subsequent communications with other

968
00:43:01,670 --> 00:43:00,160
people and whatever else they were they

969
00:43:05,339 --> 00:43:01,680
would very often be frightened of me

970
00:43:08,130 --> 00:43:05,349
because they would see me like a creme

971
00:43:10,140 --> 00:43:08,140
issed or some the voice was they

972
00:43:11,940 --> 00:43:10,150
couldn't see any source of the voice and

973
00:43:14,309 --> 00:43:11,950
because it makes me wonder about the

974
00:43:15,779 --> 00:43:14,319
tone it was something coming in from a

975
00:43:17,849 --> 00:43:15,789
parallel reality and there was a source

976
00:43:19,740 --> 00:43:17,859
we couldn't say I know who knows so

977
00:43:22,980 --> 00:43:19,750
there been all kinds of experiences and

978
00:43:24,839 --> 00:43:22,990
all kinds of creatures most of whom did

979
00:43:27,740 --> 00:43:24,849
not did not speak English in any way we

980
00:43:30,750 --> 00:43:27,750
understood there or any language I knew

981
00:43:32,609 --> 00:43:30,760
others were totally nonverbal I mean and

982
00:43:35,430 --> 00:43:32,619
it was there was very alien sense about

983
00:43:39,359 --> 00:43:35,440
it so I mean everything it seems to be

984
00:43:40,950 --> 00:43:39,369
out there and accessible and what one

985
00:43:43,620 --> 00:43:40,960
wonders about the philosophical and

986
00:43:45,150 --> 00:43:43,630
spiritual implications of this but there

987
00:43:51,839 --> 00:43:45,160
are there a number of cases like this in

988
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:51,849
the board well I've often considered

989
00:43:58,620 --> 00:43:55,680
myself whether or not you know that

990
00:44:00,960 --> 00:43:58,630
whatever it is that that that makes us

991
00:44:02,970 --> 00:44:00,970
us you know what do you know whether

992
00:44:06,109 --> 00:44:02,980
you'd call it your you know your your

993
00:44:09,450 --> 00:44:06,119
soul or you know spirit essence you know

994
00:44:14,450 --> 00:44:09,460
consciousness whatever I've had the

995
00:44:17,730 --> 00:44:14,460
feeling that this our consciousness it

996
00:44:18,260 --> 00:44:17,740
stands not only in this reality but in

997
00:44:20,210 --> 00:44:18,270
all the other

998
00:44:23,420 --> 00:44:20,220
infinite realities and I kind of base

999
00:44:28,970 --> 00:44:23,430
this sometimes on some some dreams that

1000
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:28,980
I have had where I have been living in a

1001
00:44:35,660 --> 00:44:33,450
world where I know people know them well

1002
00:44:37,820 --> 00:44:35,670
in in these dreams I know these people

1003
00:44:39,470 --> 00:44:37,830
have known these people all of my life

1004
00:44:42,230 --> 00:44:39,480
very familiar with theater their

1005
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:42,240
background and our background and then

1006
00:44:47,270 --> 00:44:44,370
you know when you wake up you realize I

1007
00:44:48,890 --> 00:44:47,280
don't did my mind just make that all up

1008
00:44:51,410 --> 00:44:48,900
but there's also almost like this

1009
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:51,420
profound sense of loss that I woke up

1010
00:44:56,810 --> 00:44:55,290
and these people are gone now so you

1011
00:44:58,790 --> 00:44:56,820
know it just leaves me to wonder

1012
00:45:01,970 --> 00:44:58,800
sometimes whether or not these you know

1013
00:45:06,350 --> 00:45:01,980
this is not a reality that that I did

1014
00:45:08,570 --> 00:45:06,360
experience my essence in some of the

1015
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:08,580
reality well Tim I couldn't have put it

1016
00:45:12,860 --> 00:45:10,890
better the same thing happens to me and

1017
00:45:15,190 --> 00:45:12,870
I think of the old thing from the Old

1018
00:45:17,810 --> 00:45:15,200
Testament Joel you know old men will

1019
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:17,820
young men will see visions old men will

1020
00:45:24,020 --> 00:45:21,690
dream dreams and that's that's Ben and

1021
00:45:25,610 --> 00:45:24,030
me and and that that's a lot of young

1022
00:45:26,900 --> 00:45:25,620
people and a lot of older people you

1023
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:26,910
know especially if they're close to each

1024
00:45:31,730 --> 00:45:29,610
other and I think it is absolutely

1025
00:45:33,860 --> 00:45:31,740
glorious I think it's it's wonderful

1026
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:33,870
there's far more positive energy out

1027
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:37,290
there and there is negative and the

1028
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:39,810
dreams are our we're planning to do some

1029
00:45:42,860 --> 00:45:41,520
more shows on this I think it's an

1030
00:45:45,980 --> 00:45:42,870
integral part of the whole multiverse

1031
00:45:49,010 --> 00:45:45,990
thing and I think it's it's wonderful I

1032
00:45:51,530 --> 00:45:49,020
think the best thing you can say I think

1033
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:51,540
is that even if you have no one if

1034
00:45:56,570 --> 00:45:53,850
you've lost everybody you love you

1035
00:45:59,660 --> 00:45:56,580
haven't you know you're never alone and

1036
00:46:02,210 --> 00:45:59,670
you were always loved alright alright

1037
00:46:05,300 --> 00:46:02,220
well unfortunately we are current coming

1038
00:46:07,130 --> 00:46:05,310
rapidly to the end of the program so why

1039
00:46:10,010 --> 00:46:07,140
don't you let our audience know where

1040
00:46:12,620 --> 00:46:10,020
they can find your books websites your

1041
00:46:14,990 --> 00:46:12,630
radio show and things like that the two

1042
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:15,000
minutes or less that we have sure 25

1043
00:46:19,310 --> 00:46:17,850
yeah well two of the the most recent

1044
00:46:21,890 --> 00:46:19,320
book says some of them were in stores

1045
00:46:23,900 --> 00:46:21,900
especially the new one Barnes & Noble

1046
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:23,910
usually has it if you want an

1047
00:46:28,460 --> 00:46:25,890
autographed one not to be egotistical

1048
00:46:30,890 --> 00:46:28,470
but you can go to behind the paranormal

1049
00:46:31,820 --> 00:46:30,900
comm or show website you can get books

1050
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:31,830
there and we'll

1051
00:46:35,660 --> 00:46:33,090
have to autograph them for you and

1052
00:46:37,490 --> 00:46:35,670
they're a bunch of recorded shows there

1053
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:37,500
and all kinds of interesting information

1054
00:46:42,410 --> 00:46:40,290
and I think you'd you'd enjoy it and

1055
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:42,420
there's also New England ghosts calm a

1056
00:46:47,690 --> 00:46:43,890
lot of case history so there's plenty

1057
00:46:51,500 --> 00:46:47,700
look at all right so now okay you said

1058
00:46:54,860 --> 00:46:51,510
that you you hated writing this book so

1059
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:54,870
you know any plans on putting yourself

1060
00:46:58,940 --> 00:46:56,490
through the torture again for a new one

1061
00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:58,950
well I think yeah less disconcerting

1062
00:47:02,870 --> 00:47:00,720
subject we lectured a lot of you are

1063
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:02,880
focuses we figured maybe Ben and I that

1064
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:04,410
we would write write a book about UFOs

1065
00:47:08,570 --> 00:47:06,690
and I have to say that that event in May

1066
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:08,580
that that sighting gave us chapter one

1067
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:11,010
right there so we're working on our

1068
00:47:15,650 --> 00:47:12,690
little bear third book written together

1069
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:15,660
and we hope it'll be out by the end of

1070
00:47:20,750 --> 00:47:18,090
next year all right well I can't wait to

1071
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:20,760
read that so Paul we're gonna have to

1072
00:47:25,250 --> 00:47:23,370
close it up so Paul you know thank you

1073
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:25,260
very much for being with us tonight or

1074
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:28,050
I'm exploring the bizarre thank you very

1075
00:47:31,490 --> 00:47:29,130
much Tim you're always one of my

1076
00:47:32,090 --> 00:47:31,500
favorite people well thank you and next

1077
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:32,100
week hopefully

1078
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:34,770
Tim Beckley will be back with us so

1079
00:47:40,580 --> 00:47:37,610
thanks for listening everyone and

1080
00:47:44,150 --> 00:47:40,590
appreciate you tuning in so for next

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